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.i was a die hard advocate for .177 before the .22 walther talon magnum liberated me. i almost bought a .25 walther falcon hunter today, but since i'm still kind of new to .22, i delayed that gratification for later. i have fine tuned my daughter's 2400pcp now to group inside of a dime at 40 yards. w/ this 24" .177 barrel, it shoots ten solid shots around 800 fps using cphp's and 2000 psi. i was again liberated by the fact a single head shot quickly and humanely terminated this garden bandit. happy hunting. ----updated 3-27-11----- i've had a few .25 caliber springers now and i highly recommend every airgunner own one - even if only for a short while. this caliber does some amazing damage for a pellet gun. the tuned walther falcon is about the cheapest way into this caliber i have found and they shoot pretty well after some work. see under "tuning services" for more info.